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APPENDIX 1.

Corrections in Minutes of Evidence

As stated in paragraph 4 of the Final Report, witnesses and Members of the Committee were allowed to submit corrections to the separately published Minutes of Evidence—Unrevised. Corrections received under this procedure are set out hereunder.

(a) By Witnesses

Mr. Seamus J. Brady

Date		Book No.	Reference
16 February, 1971		14	Qn. 7611, page 566, second column, 11th line, delete “tight” and substitute “in type”.
			Qn. 7625, 17th line, delete “3,000 or 4,000” and substitute “300 or 400”.
			Qn. 7630, 13th line, delete “held up” and substitute “help us”.
			Qn. 7634, 8th line, delete “why” and substitute “where”.
			Qn. 7655, 4th line, delete “that he had any account” and substitute “of the accounts”.
			Qn. 7666, page 571, second column, 4th line, delete “profane” and substitute “pro Fianna Fáil”.
			Qn. 7666, page 571, second column, 9th line, delete “evidence” and substitute “editor”.
			Qn. 7698, 10th line, delete “don’t” and substitute “did not”.
			Qn. 7701, page 575, first column, 12th line, insert “editors” after “three”.
			Qn. 7706, 8th line, insert “then” after “getting”.
			Qn. 7735, 10th line, delete “why” and substitute “where”.
			Qn. 7757, 6th line, delete “and train”.
			Qn. 7761, 10th line, delete “for” and substitute “from”.
			Qn. 7785, 2nd line, delete “Gleeson” and substitute “Neeson”.
			Qn. 7788, 16th line, delete “him” and substitute “them”.
			Qn. 7790, page 582, first column, 2nd line, insert “it” after “issue”.
			Qn. 7790, page 582, first column, 4th line, add “and a full time editor” after “there”.
			Qn. 7797, 5th line, delete “why” and substitute “how”.
			Qn. 7797, page 582, second column, 2nd line, delete “not”.
5 August, 1971	..	30	Qn. 11826, page 904, first column, 6th line from bottom, delete “have” and substitute “gave”.

Mr. Anthony J. Fagan

Date		Book No.	Reference
21 January, 1971	..	5	Qn. 2747, 12th line, delete “would” and substitute “should”.
			Qn. 2749, 21st line, delete “the verbal directive” and substitute “a verbal direction”.
			Qn. 2773, page 201, 17th line from foot of first column, delete “this” and substitute “any”.
			Qn. 2775, 27th line, delete “certain”; 28th line, delete “tell” and substitute “told”.
			Qn. 2785, lines 29 and 30, delete “they” and substitute “he”.
			Qn. 2786, page 203, first column, line 1, delete “people” and substitute “Pink Book”.
			Qn. 2796, page 204, 10th and 11th lines from bottom of first column, delete “you will get from the red book that in writing I got his sanction” and substitute “You will see from the Pink Book that I got his sanction in writing”.
			Qn. 2796, page 204, 5th line from bottom of first column, delete “£5,000” and substitute “£3,500”.
			Qn. 2796, page 204, 7th line from bottom of second column delete “May” and substitute “April”.
			Qn. 2817, page 206, second column, line 16, insert after “time” the words “the names of”.
26 January, 1971	..	6	Qn. 2957, 17th line, delete “from the £2,000” and substitute “the £2,000 and lodged”.
			Qn. 3113, 18th line, delete “Ray” (twice) and substitute “A” (twice).
			Qn. 3132, page 241, first column, 10th line, delete “policy” and substitute “frequency”.
			Qn. 3140, 16th line, delete “GHO” and substitute “GHQ”.

Colonel Michael J. Hefferon

3 March 1971	19	Qn. 9573, See Colonel Hefferson’s letter of 30 March 1971 below (Annex A).
		Qn. 9608, 2nd line, delete “fetch” and substitute “vet”.
		Qn. 9791, page 740, second column, 3rd line, insert “my” before “writing”.
30 November 1971	33	Qn. 12291, page 950, second column, 15th line from foot of column, delete “January” and substitute “February”.
		Qn. 12292, page 954, first and second columns, where letters “C2” occur substitute “G2”.
30 November 1971	33	Qn. 12294, page 957, 5th line from foot of column, delete “signed ‘postage’ ” and substitute “signposted”.
		Qn. 12295, 3rd line, delete “signed ‘postage’ ” and substitute “signposted”.

Captain James J. Kelly

2 February 1971

Corrections stated orally at Qns. 4438-68

Mr. Albert Luykx

4 February 1971	10	Qn. 5573, 4th line, delete “Hambury” and substitute “Antwerp”; 5th line, delete “Hamburg” and substitute “Antwerp”.
		Qn. 5601, second last line of reply, delete “Donal” and substitute “Toon”.
		Qn. 5602, 3rd line, delete “Donal” and substitute “Toon”.
9 February 1971	11	Qn. 5810, page 429, line 5, delete “£8,000” and substitute “£8,500”.
		Qn. 6130, 2nd line, delete “J” and substitute “F”.
		Qn. 6131, 4th line, add “and two girls” after “people”.

Mr. Charles H. Murray

7 January 1971	1	Qn. 29, 10th line delete “an account” and substitute “a count”.
		Qn. 43, second sentence of reply should read “A separate count was made in this respect and the count does not go beyond 80 and of those 80, 50 were not audited by the Comptroller and Auditor General”.
		Qn. 91, page 12, 17th line from foot of first column delete “from this” and substitute “from them”; 8th line from foot of first column delete “to” and substitute “through”.
		Qn. 248 (a), third line, delete “the position” and substitute “these people”.
		Qn. 250, 8th line, delete “that” and substitute “as they”
		Qn. 291, 4th line, delete “Lonergan” and substitute “Loughran”.
13 January 1971	2	Qn. 325, 32nd line, delete “ensure” and substitute “assure”.
		Qn. 337, 8th line, add “1969” after “October”.

Date	Book No.	Reference
13 January 1971	2	Qn. 347, 35th line, delete “the” where it first occurs and substitute “a question of”.
		Qn. 394, page 46, first column, 7th line delete “account” and substitute “amount”.
		Qn. 399, 9th line, delete “the use” and substitute “its use”.
		Qn. 441, 19th line, delete “Department” and substitute “body”.
		Qn. 457, 8th line, delete “inconsistent” and substitute “inconvenient”.
		Qn. 478, page 57, second column, 19th line, delete “suspicious other than that” and substitute “to raise issues other than those”.
14 January 1971	3	Qn. 481, page 60, first column, 14th line, delete “all” and substitute “some”.
		Qn. 544, page 67, 12th line from foot of page, delete “completed” and substitute “established”.
		Qn. 591, 10th line, delete “was” and substitute “had”.
2 June 1971	27	Qn. 11680, 6th line, delete “since” and substitute “in”.
		Qn. 11686, 7th line, add “between the hours of 7 p.m. and midnight” after “question” [See Mr. Murray’s letter of 24 June 1971 below (Annex B)].
		Qn. 11697, 9th line, delete “yes, that is so” and substitute “No—I am specifically denying that any Department—my own or any other—destroyed documents in 1970 or 1971 at any time between 7 p.m. and midnight” [See Mr. Murray’s letter of 24 June 1971 below (Annex B)].
2 June 1971	27	Qn. 11704, page 888 second column, third line of reply, delete “of a meeting”.
		Qn. 11719, delete reply and substitute “Mr. Chairman, I would suggest that my function as an official of the Department of Finance in relation to this particular aspect is confined to giving the information which I have given to the Committee. As to whether words used by the Minister were misleading or open to a wrong inference being drawn—this is a matter which is for the Minister for Finance himself”.
		Qn. 11727, page 891, second column, 10th line delete “that viewpoint” and substitute “the viewpoint” and add “reflected in the questions on this issue” after “viewpoint”.
		Qn. 11729, 9th line, delete “reply” and substitute “refer”.
		Qn. 11730, 8th line, delete “said by reference” and substitute “referred”.
		Qn. 11732, page 892, first column, 5th line, delete “and” and substitute “who”.

ANNEX A

67 Ballytore Road,

Rathfarnham. 14.

30th March 1971.

The Secretary,

Public Accounts Committee.

Leinster House.

Comment on evidence—Book No. 19, dated 3rd March 1971.

A chara,

Reference answer to question 9608 on page 727, I am quoted as replying “I made it quite clear he was going to fetch arms”. I believe the words I used were “I made it quite clear he was going to vet arms”.

Reference the use of the words “emotionally involved” in question 9573, page 726, my apprehension of the question did not extend to the word “emotionally”, which I would have queried if only for the reason, that the meaning of the word could be made to cover the whole gamut of feeling from a mild sympathy to unreasoning committment.

Mise, le meas

M. J. HEFFERON.

ANNEX B

24 June 1971

Cléireach an Choiste

An Coiste um Chuntais Phoiblí

In the attached copy of Volume 27 of the Minutes of Evidence, relating to the meeting of the Committee held on 2 June 1971 I have indicated a number of amendments which, subject to the agreement of the Committee, I would like to see incorporated in the revised version.

A word of explanation may be necessary in regard to the suggested amendment to the reply to question 11697. My preceding comments on this particular aspect were related specifically to the question of destruction of documents between the hours of 7 p.m. and midnight—see in particular question 11681. Deputy FitzGerald’s question, No 11697, was on the other hand related in part to the destruction of documents by my own Department at any hour of the day in the year 1970. When the question was put to me I apparently did not spot this new element introduced into the question and that is why I replied “Yes, that is so”—thinking that my reply related to a question regarding the destruction of documents in my own and other Departments between the hours of 7 p.m. and midnight.

I am also suggesting an amendment in the reply to question 11686 to make this point clear, although it is already clear from my reply to question 11689.

C. H. MURRAY

An Roinn Airgeadais.

(b) By Members of the Committee

Deputy R. Burke

Date	Book No.	Reference
2 March 1971	18	Qn.9153, 3rd line, before “prepared” insert “not”; page 697, 1st column, 6th line, delete “perhaps”.

Deputy E. Collins

4 February 1971

Qn. 5499, 4th line, after “Northern”, insert “Ireland”.

Deputy G. Fitzgerald

21 January 1971	5	Qn. 2763, 4th line, delete “Lee fund” and substitute “the account”.
26 January 1971	6	Qn. 3299, 1st line, delete “In effect I do not know” and substitute “In effect. I do not know”.
		Qn. 3469, 1st line, delete “Three-fifths of” and substitute “Three trips to”.
		Qn. 3496 (a), 3rd line, delete “from” and substitute “to”.
27 January 1971	7	Qn. 4147, last line, delete “7,500 rifles in Dublin” and substitute “500 rifles from Dublin to Dundalk”.

Deputy S. Treacy

18 February 1971

Qn. 8659, 2nd line, delete “British soldiers” and substitute “religious communities”; 3rd line, delete “British” and substitute “religious”.