Committee Reports::Report - Courts of Justice Act 1924 and the civil jurisdiction of the Courts::06 November, 1930::Proceedings of the Joint Committee

IMEACHTA AN CHO-CHOISTE.

PROCEEDINGS OF THE JOINT COMMITTEE.

Déardaoin, 6adh Mí na Samhna, 1930.

Thursday, 6th November, 1930.

1. Chruinnigh an Có-Choiste ar 10 a.m.


2. I láthair:—Domhnall O Muirgheasa (i gCeannas); Pádraig O Caoilte agus Geaspar de Bhulbh, Teachtaí; Somhairle Brún, Mícheál Comyn, Tomás O Fearáin, Pádraig Hooper agus Risteárd Mac Liam, Seanadóirí.


3. D’ath-chromadh ar bhreithniú Dreacht-Thuarasgabhála an Cathaoirligh.


(i) Mír 16 a cuireadh siar.


Leasú tairgthe (Mícheál Comyn):


“To delete the sentence commencing with the word ‘While’ in line 27 down to and including the word ‘effect’ in line 29 and substitute as follows: ‘The Committee was informed that the effect of this decision.’”


Ceist curtha, agus aontuithe.


Leasú tairgthe (Pádraig Hooper):


“At the end of the paragraph to add: ‘Any objection that this might impose an additional burden upon litigants, is met by recommendations as to costs contained in a later portion of this report.’”


Ceist curtha, agus aontuithe.


Mír, mar do leasuíodh, aontuithe.


(ii) Mír 17 a cuireadh siar aontuithe.


(iii) Mír 27 a cuireadh siar.


Leasú tairgthe (Mícheál Comyn):


“After the word ‘Counsel’ in line 7 to insert the words ‘or be transcribed’ and to delete all words after the word ‘available’ in the same line to the end of the paragraph and substitute therefor the words ‘and any party to the action should be entitled to a transcript on payment therefor of the prescribed fees.’”


Ceist curtha, agus aontuithe.


Mír, mar do leasuíodh, aontuithe.


(iv) Mír 30 a cuireadh siar.


Leasú tairgthe (Mícheál Comyn):


“To delete the sentence beginning with the word ‘On’ in line 41 and ending with the word ‘necessary.’”


Ceist curtha; do dhin an Coiste vótáil; Tá, 2; Níl, 5.


Tá:—Pádraig O Caoilte, Teachta; Mícheál Comyn, Seanadóir.


Níl:—Domhnall O Muirgheasa agus Geaspar de Bhulbh, Teachtaí; Somhairle Brún, Tomás O Fearáin agus Pádraig Hooper, Seanadóirí.


Do faisnéiseadh dá réir sin go rabhthas tar éis diúltú don Cheist.


Leasú tairgthe (Mícheál Comyn):


“In line 50 to delete the word ‘four’ and substitute the word ‘six.’”


Ceist curtha; do dhin an Coiste vótáil; Tá, 2; Níl, 5.


Tá:—Pádraig O Caoilte, Teachta; Mícheál Comyn, Seanadóir.


Níl:—Domhnall O Muirgheasa agus Geaspar de Bhulbh, Teachtaí; Somhairle Brún, Tomás O Fearáin agus Pádraig Hooper, Seanadóirí.


Do faisnéiseadh dá réir sin go rabhthas tar éis diúltú don Cheist.


Leasú tairgthe (Mícheál Comyn):


“In line 51, after the word ‘Court’ to insert the words ‘and Supreme Court.’”


Ceist curtha; do dhin an Coiste vótáil; Tá, 2; Níl, 5.


Tá:—Pádraig O Caoilte, Teachtá; Mícheál Comyn, Seanadóir.


Níl:—Domhnall O Muirgheasa agus Geaspar de Bhulbh, Teachtaí; Somhairle Brún, Tomás O Fearáin agus Pádraig Hooper, Seanadóirí.


Do faisnéiseadh dá réir sin go rabhthas tar éis diúltú don Cheist.


Ceist:—“Go bhanfidh an Mír mar chuid den Tuarasgabháil”— curtha; do dhin an Coiste vótáil; Tá, 5; Níl, 2.


Tá:—Domhnall O Muirgheasa agus Geaspar de Bhulbh, Teachtaí; Somhairle Brún, Tomás O Fearáin agus Padraig Hooper, Seanadóirí.


Níl:—Pádraig O Caoilte, Teachta; Mícheál Comyn, Seanadóir.


Do faisnéiseadh dá réir sin go rabhthas tar éis glaca leis an gCeist.


4. Do cuireadh an gnó ar fiunraí ar 1.30 p.m. ar feadh leath-uair a’ chluig.


5. D’ath-chromadh ar an gnó ar 2 p.m. agus bhí na baill seo leanas i láthair:—Domhnall O Muirgheasa (i gCeannas), Pádraig O Caoilte agus Geaspar de Bhulbh, Teachtaí; Somhairle Brún, Mícheál Comyn, Tomás O Fearáin agus Pádraig Hooper, Seanadóirí.


6. D’ath-chromadh ar bhreithniú Dreacht-Thuarasgabhála an Cathaoirligh.


(i) Mír 34 a cuireadh siar aontuithe.


(ii) Mír 41 a cuireadh siar.


Leasú tairgthe (Pádraig O Caoilte):


“Delete all after the first sentence and insert as follows:—‘The Committee are, however, convinced that the considerations which, it is stated in evidence, weighed against any recommendation by the Judiciary Committee in 1923 for an increase in membership of the Supreme Court are even more compelling to-day. The Committee are of the opinion that there should be no increase in the cost of the Supreme Court until the increased prosperity of the country warrants it, and until the volume of business in the Superior Courts urgently requires it. Further, they recommend that any changes made in the Supreme Court should be accompanied by a revision of salaries in the light of a comparative study of the salaries paid to judges of equal rank in other European countries, for instance, in France, where the scale of judicial salaries is much lower than in the Free State.’”


Ceist curtha; do dhin an Coiste vótáil; Tá, 2; Níl, 5.


Tá:—Pádraig O Caoilte, Teachta; Mícheál Comyn, Seanadóir.


Níl:—Domhnall O Muirgheasa agus Geaspar de Bhulbh, Teachtaí; Somhairle Brún, Tomás O Fearáin agus Pádraig Hooper, Seanadóirí.


Do faisnéiseadh dá réir sin go rabhthas tar éis diúltú don Cheist.


Ceist:—“Go bhfanfidh an Mír mar chuid den Tuarasgabháil”— curtha; do dhin an Coiste vótáil; Tá, 5; Níl, 2.


Tá:—Domhnall O Muirgheasa agus Geaspar de Bhulbh, Teachtaí; Somhairle Brún, Tomás O Fearáin agus Pádraig Hooper, Seanadóirí.


Níl:—Pádraig O Caoilte, Teachta; Mícheál Comyn, Seanadóir.


Do faisnéiseadh dá réir sin go rabhthas tar éis glaca leis an gCeist.


(iii) Mír 45 a cuireadh siar.


Leasú tairgthe (Mícheál Comyn):


“In sub-paragraph (a) to delete the words ‘under the Act of 1924.’”


Ceist curtha, agus aontuithe.


Mír, mar do leasuíodh, aontuithe.


(iv) Mír 62 a cuireadh siar.


Leasú tairgthe (Geaspar de Bhulbh):


“To delete the figures ‘72’ and substitute the figures ‘75.’”


Ceist curtha, agus aontuithe.


Mír, mar do leasuíodh, aontuithe.


(v) Míreanna 63 agus 64 a cuireadh siar aontuithe.


(vi) Míreanna nua.


Leasú tairgthe (Geaspar de Bhulbh):


“Before Paragraph 90 to insert a new Paragraph as follows:—‘That section 12 of the Act of 1924 be amended by deleting the figures “72” and substituting the figures “75.” ’”


Ceist:—“Go gcuirfear an Mír nua isteach annsan”—curtha, agus aontuithe.


Leasú tairgthe (Somhairle Brún):


“Before Paragraph 95 to insert the following new paragraph:—


‘That it be provided by legislation that a Rule (or Rules) of Court shall be made to the effect that


(i) Costs shall follow the event unless the judge or judges shall for special cause stated in the order otherwise direct. An appeal shall lie from the grant or refusal of this order.


(ii) If there are two or more defendants, and the plaintiff succeeds against one or more, but fails as to another or others, the unsuccessful defendant may be ordered to pay the costs not only of the plaintiff but also of the successful defendant or defendants. In any such case the judge or judges may grant a decree with costs against any one or more of the defendants and grant a dismiss as to the other or others of the defendants either with or without costs as he or they shall think fit.


(iii) In a case where the scale of costs is applicable, witnesses’ expenses shall be in the discretion of the judge or judges without limit as to amount.’”


Ceist:—“Go gcuirfear an Mír nua isteach annsan”—curtha, agus aontuithe.


(vii) Mír 98 a cuireadh siar.


Leasú tairgthe (Tomás O Fearáin):


“At the end of the Paragraph to add the following new sub-paragraph:—


‘That sections 36, 65 and 90 of the Act of 1924 be amended so as to provide for the inclusion in the Committee, in the said sections respectively referred to, of two persons, not being members of the legal profession, representing the general public, to be nominated thereto by the Minister for Justice.’”


Ceist curtha, agus aontuithe.


Mír, mar do leasuíodh, aontuithe.


Tairisgint déanta (Tomás O Fearáin):


“That the Chairman’s Draft Report, as amended, be the Report of the Joint Committee.”


Ceist curtha, agus aontuithe.


Orduithe: A thuairisciú don dá Thigh dá réir sin.


7. Do críochnuíodh obair an Chó-Choiste ar 3.30 p.m.