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IMEACHTA AN CHO-CHOISTE.

PROCEEDINGS OF THE JOINT COMMITTEE.

Dé Céadaoin, 5adh Mí na Samhna, 1930.

Wednesday, 5th November, 1930.

1. Chruinnigh an Có-Choiste ar 11 a.m.

2. I láthair:—Domhnall O Muirgheasa (i gCeannas); Pádraig O Caoilte agus Geaspar de Bhulbh, Teachtaí; Somhairle Brún, Tomás O Fearáin, Pádraig Hooper agus Risteárd Mac Liam, Seanadóirí.

3. D’ath-chromadh ar bhreithniú Dreacht-Thuarasgabhála an Chathaoirligh.

(i) Mír 27 curtha siar.

(ii) Míreanna 28 agus 29 aontuithe.

(iii) Mír 30 curtha siar.

(iv) Mír 18 a cuireadh siar.

Leasú tairgthe (Pádraig O Caoilte):

“Delete the second sub-paragraph of (a) and insert as follows:—‘The Committee is, however, of opinion that, in carrying this recommendation into effect, a distinction should be made between judgments of the Circuit Court for sums not exceeding £25 and those for larger amounts. The Committee considers that priority in bankruptcy should not be conferred on judgments of that Court for amounts which do not exceed £25, over and above costs. Under the old County Court practice, a judgment for £50 or under was not entitled to this priority, but the Committee considers that there is no justification for priority not being given to judgments for sums which exceed £25.’”

Leasú, fé chead, tairgthe siar.

Mír aontuithe.

(v) Míreanna 31, 32 agus 33 aontuithe.

(vi) Mír 34 curtha siar.

(vii) Mír 35.

Leasú tairgthe (Pádraig O Caoilte):

“Delete the last sentence and substitute as follows:—‘As regards the matters over which the Master should be given jurisdiction, the Committee recommends that he should be permitted to exercise the powers conferred on him by Order XIII of the Rules of the High Court and Supreme Court dated 13th July, 1926, and by Order XXX of the Rules made under the Judicature Act, 1905.’”

Ceist curtha; do dhin an Coiste vótáil; Tá, 1; Níl, 6.

Tá:—Pádraig O Caoilte, Teachta.

Níl:—Domhnall O Muirgheasa agus Geaspar de Bhulbh, Teachtaí; Somhairle Brún, Tomás O Fearáin, Pádraig Hooper agus Risteárd Mac Liam, Seanadóirí.

Do faisnéiseadh dá réir sin go rabhthas tar éis diúltú don Cheist.

Mír aontuithe.

(viii) Míreanna 36 go 40 go huile, aontuithe.

(ix) Míreanna 41 agus 42 curtha siar.

(x) Mír nua.

Leasú tairgthe (Pádraig Hooper).

“After Paragraph 42 to insert the following new paragraph:—

‘The work of the Court Stenographers was discussed with many witnesses. There was general agreement that on the whole it was remarkably well done, but objection was taken to the fact that in some cases the stenographers are only part-time employees. This, it was pointed out, had proved unsatisfactory in a number of instances and left an opening for possible irregularities. The Committee recommend that the stenographers should be given regular official status on a whole-time basis and be formed into a special service, the members of which should be transferable to any court in which they might be required, either permanently or temporarily.’”

Ceist:—“Go gcuirfear an Mír nua isteach annsan”—curtha, agus aontuithe.

(xi) Míreanna 43 agus 44 aontuithe.

(xii) Mír 45 curtha siar.

(xiii) Míreanna 46 go 59 go huile, aontuithe.

(xiv) Mír 60.

Leasú tairgthe (Pádraig Hooper):

“After the words ‘Peace Commissioner’ to insert the words in brackets ‘(specially approved for that purpose by the Chief Justice).’”

Leasú, fé chead, tairgthe siar.

Mír aontuithe.

(xv) Mír 61 aontuithe.

4. Do cuireadh an gnó ar fiunraí ar 1 p.m. ar feadh dhá uair a’ chluig.

5. D’ath-chromadh ar an gnó ar 3 p.m. agus bhí na baill seo leanas i láthair:—Domhnall O Muirgheasa (i gCeannas); Uinseann Ríseach agus Geaspar de Bhulbh, Teachtaí; Somhairle Brún, Tomás O Fearáin, Pádraig Hooper, Brian O Ruairc agus Risteárd Mac Liam, Seanadóirí.

6. D’ath-chromadh ar bhreithniú Dreacht-Thuarasgabhála an Cathaoirligh.

(i) Míreanna 62, 63 agus 64 curtha siar.

(ii) Míreanna 65 go 70 go huile, aontuithe.

(iii) Mír nua.

Leasú tairgthe (Somhairle Brún):

“Before Paragraph 71 to insert a new Paragraph as follows:—

‘That a statutory power to change the venue to another Circuit Court area should be conferred on the Circuit Court.’”

Ceist:—“Go gcuirfear an Mír nua isteach annsan”—curtha, agus aontuithe.

(iv) Míreanna 71 go 85 go huile, aontuithe.

(v) Mír 86.

Leasú tairgthe (Uinseann Ríseach):

“In the second last line, after the word ‘shall’ to insert the words ‘except by leave of the High Court.’”

Ceist curtha, agus aontuithe.

Mír, mar do leasuíodh, aontuithe.

(vi) Míreanna 87 go 97 go huile, aontuithe.

(vii) Mír 98 curtha siar.

(viii) Mír 42 a cuireadh siar.

Leasú tairgthe (Uinseann Ríseach):

“To delete Paragraph 42 and to substitute therefor the following paragraph:—

‘Evidence has been produced to the Committee that the costs of a decree in the case of small debts in respect of annuities are high out of all proportion to the amount of the debt, and unduly inflate the original liability. In the case of a decree for 13s. 4d., the costs are stated to be, approximately, 11/-; in the case of a decree for £2 9s. 0d., approximately, £1 3s. 0d.

‘Only in a very small proportion of cases is the liability to pay contested, the debt being admitted, and the only matter to be dealt with is the inability or unwillingness of the annuitant to meet his obligations. The Committee feel that the application to such cases of the present scale of costs is productive of great hardship, and they recommend that a new and considerably reduced scale should be fixed by legislation and made applicable to uncontested cases for the recovery of sums not exceeding £10.’”

Ceist curtha; do dhin an Coiste vótáil; Tá, 6; Níl, 3.

Tá:—Pádraig O Caoilte, Uinseann Ríseach agus Geaspar de Bhulbh, Teachtaí; Somhairle Brún, Pádraig Hooper agus Risteárd Mac Liam, Seanadóirí.

Níl:—Domhnall O Muirgheasa, Teachta; Tomás O Fearáin agus Brian O Ruairc, Seanadóirí.

Do faisnéiseadh dá réir sin go rabhthas tar éis glaca leis an gCeist.

7. Cuireadh an Có-Choiste ar ath-ló ar 6 p.m. go dtí 10 a.m. amáireach.