Committee Reports::Annual Report of the Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport, 1997-1998::12 November, 1998::Appendix

APPENDIX 7

Minutes of proceedings of the Joint Committee

JOINT COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC ENTERPRISE AND TRANSPORT

MEETING OF 4 DECEMBER 1997

The Committee met at 2.30 p.m. in Room G2, Kildare House.


Members present: Deputies Liam Aylward, Martin Brady, Michael Creed, Austin Currie, Brendan Daly, Seán Doherty, Liam Lawlor, Jim Mitchell, Noel O’Flynn, Dick Roche, Emmet Stagg, Ivan Yates and Senators Peter Callanan, Liam Fitzgerald, Fergus O’Dowd and Tom Fitzgerald (who substituted for Senator Des Hanafin).


PUBLIC SESSION:


1.Election of Chairperson:


Deputy Seán Doherty was proposed as Chairman by Deputy Martin Brady. As there were no other nominations, Deputy Doherty was invited to take the Chair.


2.Day and Times of Meetings:


-It was agreed that the next meeting (on 10 December 1997) should deal with the Supplementary Estimate of the Dept. of Public Enterprise.


-It was agreed that the Dept. of Public Enterprise Bill - Air Navigation and Transport (Amendment) Bill 1997 should be dealt with at the following meeting.


-It was agreed that a Joint Committee meeting should take place at 1.45p.m. on Wednesday, 10 December 1997 regarding the election of a Vice-Chairman and that this should be followed at 2.00p.m. by a Dáil Select Committee meeting which will deal with the issue of Supplementary Estimates.


3.Work Programme:


-It was agreed that a Brief regarding Supplementary Estimates should be requested from the Dept. of Public Enterprise and that this should be circulated to Members before the meeting.


-It was agreed that the following Motion put forward by Deputy Brendan Daly would be dealt with at the next meeting-


“That in view of the fact that a Government Review of Ireland’s Electricity Generation Capacity is being undertaken the Committee would discuss the matter and made recommendations to the Government.”


-It was agreed that a discussion concerning Standing Orders and the remit of the Committee in relation to semi-state bodies should take place in the near future. A letter from the Chairman to the Chief Whip concerning this matter is to be issued.


-It was agreed that the issue of Duty Free facilities should be dealt with as soon as possible.


-It was agreed that the Committee should liaise with other Committees whose remit overlaps with that of the Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport especially in relation to Transport matters.


-It was agreed that a list of semi-state bodies falling within the remit of the Committee should be circulated to Members.


-It was agreed that the Dept. of Public Enterprise should be contacted with regard to providing a report outlining legislation and secondary legislation that is in the pipeline.


-It was agreed to determine whether the Committee has an equivalent in the European Parliament.


-It was agreed that Members should submit suggestions with regard to setting up an agreed Programme of Work.


-It was agreed that the Committee seek its own Clerk.


4.Any Other Business:


The Agenda for the next meeting on Wednesday, 9 December 1997 at 1.45p.m. was agreed.


The meeting adjourned at 2.55p.m.



Seán Doherty T.D.


Chairman


JOINT COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC ENTERPRISE AND TRANSPORT

WEDNESDAY, 10 DECEMBER 1997

1.A meeting of the Joint Committee took place in Room G5 at 2.10 p.m. in public session.


2.Attendance: Deputies Liam Aylward, Martin Brady, Michael Creed, Austin Currie, Brendan Daly, Seán Doherty, Phil Hogan, Noel O’Flynn, Trevor Sargent, Emmet Stagg, Ivan Yates and Senators Peter Callanan, Liam Fitzgerald and Tom Fitzgerald (who substituted for Senator Des Hanafin).


3.It was agreed to defer all business except the election of the Vice-Chairman to the next meeting.


4.Election of Vice-Chairman


Deputy Brendan Daly was nominated by Senator Peter Callanan. As there was no other nominations, Deputy Daly was duly elected Vice-Chairman.


5.The meeting adjourned at 2.12 p.m. sine die.



Seán Doherty, T.D.


Chairman.


7 January 1998


Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport

Proceedings of the Joint Committee

Wednesday, 7 January, 1998

1.The Joint Committee met in public session at 3.00 p.m. in Room G2, Kildare House.


2.Attendance


The following Members were present:


Deputies Seán Doherty (Chairman), Liam Alyward, Martin Brady, Austin Currie, Brendan Daly, Phil Hogan, Liam Lawlor, Noel O’Flynn, Pat Carey in substitution for Dick Roche, Trevor Sargent, Emmet Stagg and Ivan Yates.


Senators Peter Callanan, Liam Fitzgerald, Tom Fitzgerald and Donie Cassidy in substitution for Des Hanafin, Fergus O’Dowd.


Deputy G.V. Wright also attended the meeting.


3.Minutes


The minutes of the meeting of 10 December, 1997 were agreed to with the addition of Senator Liam Fitzgerald to the attendance list.


4.Motion from Deputy Brendan Daly


Deputy Daly agreed not to proceed with his motion at this time as the electricity matters referred to were included in the draft work programme circulated to Members at the meeting.


5.Draft Work Programme


The following additions were put forward for inclusion in the draft work programme circulated to Members at the meeting:


Team Aer Lingus


Multi-Channel Television/Cablelink/Telecommunications Regulator


Alternative Energy Sources


Dublin Transportation issue


Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland


Electromagnetic Fields (EMF)


It was agreed that the Committee would meet on Tuesday, 13 January, 1998 at 3.00 p.m. in Room G5, Kildare House to agree the Work Programme.


It was also agreed that the Telecommunications Regulator should be asked to attend the meeting to discuss Multi-Channel Television.


6.Circulation of Material received to Members


It was agreed that a list of documents/material received since the last meeting would be circulated by the Clerk with the agenda for the next meeting indicating that copies may be obtained by Members from the Clerk.


7.Bills


It was agreed that the Committee Stage of the following Bills would be dealt with by the Select Committee of Dáil Members as follows:


Tuesday 20/1/98, 11.00 a.m. Air Navigation and Transport (Amendment) Bill, 1997


Thursday 22/1/98. 10.00 a.m. Turf Development Bill, 1997.


8.Pending changes to status of duty-free facilities


The Minister for Public Enterprise, Mrs Mary O’Rourke made a presentation which was followed by a question and answer session with the Members.


It became clear during the discussions that the issue was a cross Department/Cross Committee issue and that the facts and flavour of the 1992 discussion on the matter should be made available and the matter considered further.


Mr. John Lumsden and Matt Benville from the Department of Public Enterprise attended the meeting with the Minister.



Seán Doherty, T.D.


Chairman


13 January 1998


Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport

Proceedings of Joint Committee

Tuesday, 13 January, 1998

1.The Joint Committee met in public session at 3.00 p.m. in Room G5, Kildare House.


2.Attendance


The following Members were present:


Deputies Seán Doherty (Chairman), Liam Alyward, Martin Brady, Austin Currie, Phil Hogan, Noel O’Flynn, Dick Roche, Emmet Stagg and Ivan Yates.


Senators Peter Callanan, Rory Kiely in substitution for Liam Fitzgerald, Tom Fitzgerald in substitution for Des Hanafin, Fergus O’Dowd and Shane Ross.


3.Minutes


The minutes of the meeting of 7 January, 1998 were agreed to.


4.Draft Work Programme


The revised draft work programme placed before the Members was agreed to.


It was also agreed that the following matters would be considered and reported on in the months ahead:


Team Aer Lingus;


Multi-Channel Television / Cablelink / Telecommunications Regulator;


Alternative Energy Sources;


Dublin Transportation issue;


Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland;


Electromagnetic Fields (EMF) / Non - Ionizing Radiation;


Iarnród Éireann / Urban / Rural Rail Service.


5.Meeting with Telecommunications Regulator


The Members made it clear in the strongest terms that the decision of the Regulator to decline to appear before them, on the basis that the office did not fall within the remit of the Joint Committee, was unacceptable.


It was agreed that-


(a)the Committee would report to the Houses as provided for under Standing Orders and to recommend that-


(i)the Committees Orders of Reference be amended to specifically provide for the Office of the Telecommunications Regulator, and


(ii)the report of the Committee be debated by the Dáil,


(b)the Chairman would meet with the Director to express the feelings of the Members and to seek agreement to a meeting at a future date.


6.Any other Business


(a)Orders of Reference


It was agreed that the attached letter be issued by the Chairman in connection with the Committees orders of reference.


(b)Meeting of Dáil Select Committee on 20 January, 1998


It was agreed that this meeting would take place at 2.00 p.m. instead of 11.00 a.m.


7.Adjournment


The meeting adjourned at 3.55 p.m. sine die.



Seán Doherty, T.D.


Chairman


12 February 1998


Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport

Proceedings of Joint Committee

Thursday, 12 February, 1998

1.The Joint Committee met in public session at 2.30 p.m. and 2.45 p.m. and in private session from 2.35 p.m. to 2.45 p.m.


2.Attendance


The following Members were present:


Deputies Seán Doherty (Chairman), Michael Ahern in substitution for Noel O’Flynn, Martin Brady, Michael Creed, Austin Currie, Liam Lawlor, Dick Roche, Emmet Stagg and Ivan Yates.


Senators Peter Callanan, Liam Fitzgerald, Tom Fitzgerald in substitution for Des Hanafin and Fergus O’Dowd.


Deputies Seán Ardagh, Paul Bradford, Deirdre Clune, John Gormley, Dinny McGinley and David Stanton also attended the meeting.


3.Minutes


The minutes of the meeting of 13 January, 1998 were agreed to.


4.Report to Houses relating to Director of Telecommunications Regulation


The draft report to the Dáil under Standing Order 78A(7) and to the Seanad under Standing Order 62A(7) in relation to the Director of Telecommunications Regulation was agreed to.


5.Meeting with Director of Telecommunications Regulation


The Director, Ms. Etain Doyle, accompanied by her officials Mr. Robert Jackson, Mr. John McQuaid and Ms. Regina Finn, made a presentation to the Committee which was followed by a question and answer session with the Members. Ms. Doyle agreed to attend the Committee again if requested to do so.


6.Electromagnetic fields: Meeting with ESB Management and the Cork Anti Pylon Action Group


The following representatives of ESB Management attended the meeting:


Mr. Ken O’Hara, Chief Executive


Mr. Kieran O’Brien, Managing Director National Grid


Mr. Larry Donald, Company Secretary


Mr. Bernard O’Reilly


Mr. John Gartlan


Mr. Cathal O’Luain


Mr. Eugene Bergin.


The following representatives of the Cork Anti Pylon Action Group attended the meeting:


Mr. William Cunningham, Chairman


Mr. John Ahern


Mr. J.J. Kett


Mr. Michael McCormack


Mr. Michael Whelan.


Oral evidence was given by each group and this was followed by a question and answer session with the Members.


7.Any other Business


It was agreed that correspondence received by the Chairman and some Members would be discussed at the next meeting of the Joint Committee.


8.Adjournment


The meeting adjourned at 5.20 p.m. sine die.



Seán Doherty, T.D.


Chairman


26 February 1998


Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport

Proceedings of Joint Committee

Thursday, 26 February, 1998

1.The Joint Committee met in public session at 2.30 p.m. and 2.35 p.m. and in private session from 2.32 p.m. to 2.35 p.m.


2.Attendance


The following Members were present:


Deputies Seán Doherty (Chairman), Liam Alyward, Martin Brady, Austin Currie, Noel O’Flynn, Seán Fleming in substitution for Dick Roche and Ivan Yates.


Senators Peter Callanan, Liam Fitzgerald, Tom Fitzgerald in substitution for Des Hanafin and Fergus O’Dowd.


Deputy Brendan Daly (Vice-Chairman) took the chair at 2.40 p.m.


3.Minutes


The minutes of the meeting of 12 February, 1998 were agreed to.


4.Meeting with Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland


Dr. Tom O’Flaherty, Chief Executive


Mr. John D. Cunningham, Assistant Chief Executive


Mr. Francis J. Turvey, Assistant Chief Executive


of the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland made presentations to the Committee as follows:


Dr. O’Flaherty - Background and principal activities of R.P.I.I.


Mr. Cunningham - the hazards to the Irish population from radioactive contamination of the environment and especially the Irish Sea, due mainly to discharges from Sellafield.


Mr. Turvey - the likelihood and potential consequences of accidents, in particular major accidents, at nuclear installations in the U.K.


These presentations were followed by a question and answer session with the Members.


5.Any other Business


Non-ionising Radiation


The Committee agreed in private session that it would consider the public concern about mobile phones and transmission masts as soon as possible.


6.Adjournment


The meeting adjourned at 3.50 p.m. sine die.



Seán Doherty, T.D.


Chairman


26 March 1998


Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport

Proceedings of Joint Committee

Thursday, 26 March, 1998

1.The Joint Committee met in public session at 2:35 p.m. and 2:40 p.m. and in private session from 2:36 p.m. to 2:40 p.m.


2.Attendance


The following Members were present:


Deputies Seán Doherty (Chairman), Martin Brady, Austin Currie, Brendan Daly, Noel O’Flynn and Ivan Yates.


Senators Peter Callanan and Willie Farrell (in substitution for Des Hanafin).


Senators Enda Bonner and Frank Chambers also attended.


3.Minutes


The minutes of the meeting of 26 February, 1998 were agreed to.


4.Non-ionising radiation emissions from mobile phones and communications masts


(a)It was agreed in private session that the following should be invited before the Committee for or inter group discussion on this issue:


Esat Digifone,


Eircell,


Community Groups (Limited Number),


Department of Justice,


Garda Commissioner,


Director of Telecommunications Regulation.


It was also agreed that not more than two more meetings should be allocated to the issue and that those invited should be asked to bring any relevant technical experts with them.


(b)A joint presentation was made by the following Secretaries General on the current policy and its implementation in their respective Departments on this issue:


Mr. John Loughrey, Department of Public Enterprise,


Mr. Jimmy Farrelly, Department of the Environment and Local Government, and


Mr. Jerry O’Dwyer, Department of Health and Children.


The following personnel from these Departments also attended the meeting:


Mr. Brendan Tuohy, Assistant Secretary, Department of Public Enterprise,


Dr. Tom McManus, Chief Technical Adviser, Department of Public Enterprise,


Mr. Eamon Molloy, Principal, Department of Public Enterprise,


Ms. Mary Moylan, Principal Officer, Department of the Environment and Local Government, and


Mr. Raymond Ellord, Chief Environmental Health Officer, Department of Health and Children.


The presentation was followed by a question and answer session with the Members.


It was agreed that representative(s) of the Departments would attend the inter group discussion with the other participants who are to meet the Committee.


5.Any other Business


It was agreed that the discussion document “The future Delivery of Television Services in Ireland” did not answer all the questions raised by Members at the meeting with the Director of Telecommunications Regulation on 12 February, 1998 on the licensing of deflector systems and that the Director should again be invited to attend before the Committee.


6.Adjournment


The meeting adjourned at 4:05 p.m. sine die.



Seán Doherty, T.D.


Chairman


23 April 1998


Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport

Proceedings of Joint Committee

Thursday, 23 April, 1998

1.The Joint Committee met in private session at 11:40 a.m and in public session at 11:45 a.m. The meeting was suspended at 1:25 p.m. and resumed at 2:10 p.m.


2.Attendance


The following Members were present:


Deputies Seán Doherty (Chairman), Martin Brady, Michael Creed, Austin Currie, Phil Hogan, Jim Mitchell, Noel O’Flynn, Dick Roche, Trevor Sargent, Emmet Stagg and Ivan Yates.


Senators Peter Callanan and Liam Fitzgerald.


Apologies were received from Deputy Brendan Daly.


The following Members of the Houses also attended the meeting:


Deputies Louis Belton, Matt Brennan, Thomas Gildea, Cecilia Keaveney, Conor Lenihan, Dinny McGinley and Denis Naughton and Senators Enda Bonner, Pat Gallagher, Paddy McGowan and Pascal Mooney.


3.Minutes


The minutes of the meeting of 26 March, 1998 were agreed to.


4.Non-ionising radiation emissions from mobile phones and communications masts


Oral evidence was taken from the following:


(1)Ms. Etain Doyle, Director of Telecommunications Regulation;


(2)Ms. Sheila Meehan, Moville Radiation Protection Group;


(3)Mr. Barry Maloney, Chief Executive, Esat Digifone;


(4)Mr. Brian McMahon, Cypress Grove Residents Association;


(5)Mr. Stephen Brewer, Chief Executive, Eircell;


(6)Ms. Geraldine Delorey, Carrick-on-Shannon Concerned Residents;


(7)Mr. Tim Dalton, Secretary General, Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform;


(8)Garda Commissioner M.P. Byrne;


(9)Mr. John Doyle, Cavan/Monaghan Anti-Mast Group;


(10)Mr. Alan Peacock, Dunmore East Anti-Mast Group;


(11)Ms. Colette O’Connell, Communities against Microwave Radiation.


This was followed by a question and answer session with the Members during which the following also made contributions:


(1)Mr. John Loughrey, Secretary General, Department of Public Enterprise;


(2)Mr. John Royds, Community Groups;


(3)Mr. Liam Hamilton, Head of Planning Telecommunications, An Garda Síochána;


(4)Professor Philip Walton, Esat Digifone and Department of Environmental Physics, University College Galway;


(5)Dr. Tom McManus, Chief Technical Adviser, Department of Public Enterprise;


(6)Mr. Seamus Hughes, ESB;


(7)Dr. Anthony Staines, Eircell and Department of Public Health, University College Dublin;


(8)Ms. Mary Moylan, Principal Officer, Department of the Environment and Local Government;


(9)Mr. Ray Ellard, Chief Environmental Health Officer, Department of Health and Children;


(10)Mr. Vincent Manning.


5.Adjournment


The meeting adjourned at 4:50 p.m. sine die.



Seán Doherty, T.D.


Chairman


7 May 1998


Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport

Proceedings of Joint Committee00

Thursday, 7 May, 1998

1.The Joint Committee met in public session at 2.35 p.m. and 2.55 p.m. and in private session from 2.40 p.m. to 2.55 p.m.


2.Attendance


The following Members were present:


Deputies Seán Doherty (Chairman), Liam Alyward, Martin Brady, Austin Currie, Brendan Daly, Noel O’Flynn and Emmet Stagg.


Senators Peter Callanan and Ann Leonard (in substitution for Liam Fitzgerald).


Apologies were received from Deputy Ivan Yates.


3.Business


The Joint Committee agreed to deal with items 1, 4 and 5 on the agenda in public session and items 2 and 3 in private session.


4.Minutes


The minutes of the meeting of 23 April, 1998 were agreed to.


5.Private Session


6.Private Session


7.Public Transport Infrastructure and Operations


In view of the recent developments with Luas it was agreed that Iarnród Éireann should be invited in as soon as possible. It was also suggested that the following might also be invited to appear before the Committee:


Group Chief Executive C.I.E.,


Bus Eireann,


Dublin Bus,


Dublin Transportation Office,


Mr. Owen Keegan, Director of Traffic, Dublin Corporation,


Dublin City Manager, Fingal, Dun Laoghaire, Rathdown and South Dublin County Managers,


Department of Public Enterprise,


Selected Chambers of Commerce (Sligo line/Westport line),


Dublin 15 Community Council,


Forfás,


I.B.E.C.,


Bord Fáilte.


8.Any other business


Revised Terms of Reference


It was agreed that the Chairman would write to the Minister seeking a list of bodies under the aegis of the Department of Public Enterprise which are required by law to prepare annual reports or annual reports and accounts to be laid before either House or both Houses of the Oireachtas.


9.Adjournment


The meeting adjourned at 3.20 p.m. sine die.



Seán Doherty


Chairman


4 June 1998


Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport

Proceedings of Joint Committee

Thursday, 14 May, 1998

1.The Joint Committee met in public session at 1:05 p.m. in Room G2, Kildare House.


2.Attendance


The following Committee Members were present:


Deputies Seán Doherty (Chairman), Liam Alyward, Martin Brady, Austin Currie, Brendan Daly, Noel O’Flynn, Dick Roche, Trevor Sargent, Emmet Stagg and Ivan Yates.


Senators Willie Farrell (in substitution for Peter Callanan) and Shane Ross.


Other Members who attended:


Deputies Louis Belton, Mattie Brennan, Beverly Cooper-Flynn, John Ellis, Michael Kitt, Denis Naughton, John Perry, Gerry Reynolds and Michael Ring and Senator Frank Chambers.


3.Public Transport Infrastructure and Operations, Presentations on Rail Situation


The meeting was attended by the following representatives of Iarnród Éireann, Chambers of Commerce and the Dublin 15 Community Council:


Mr. Michael P. McDonnell, Group Chief Executive, Córas Iompair Éireann;


Mr. Joe Meagher, Chief Executive, Iarnród Éireann;


Mr. Tom Finn, Manager Strategic Planning, Iarnród Éireann;


Mr. Jim Lawlor, Chairman, Sligo Chamber of Commerce Infrastructure Committee;


Mr. Lionel Knott, President, Boyle Chamber of Commerce;


Mr. Frank Feighan, Secretary, Boyle Chamber of Commerce;


Mr. John Costelloe, Carrick-on-Shannon Chamber of Commerce;


Ms. Anne Marie Burke, Mullingar Chamber of Commerce;


Mr. Jim Guiney, Chairperson, Dublin 15 Community Council;


Mr. John Todd, Transport Spokesperson, Dublin 15 Community Council;


Mr. Peter Shanley, Chairman, West Region Chambers of Commerce of Ireland; and


Mr. Pierce O’Malley, President, Westport Chamber of Commerce.


Oral presentations were made by:


Mr. Michael P. McDonnell;


Mr. John Todd;


Mr. Jim Lawlor; and


Mr. Peter Shanley.


This was followed by a question and answer session with the Members.


4.Adjournment


The meeting adjourned sine die at 4:30 p.m.



Seán Doherty, T.D.


Chairman


4 June 1998


Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport

Proceedings of Joint Committee

Thursday, 4 June, 1998

1.The Joint Committee met in public session at 2.05 p.m. and 2.35 p.m. and in private session from 2.10 p.m. to 2.20 p.m. The meeting was suspended at 2.20 p.m. and reconvened at 2.35 p.m.


2.Attendance


The following Committee Members were present:


Deputies Seán Doherty (Chairman), Martin Brady, Austin Currie, Noel O’Flynn, Dick Roche, Emmet Stagg and Ivan Yates.


Senators Peter Callanan, Frank Chambers (in substitution for Liam Fitzgerald) and Fergus O’Dowd.


3.Business


The Joint Committee agreed to deal with items 1, 3 and 4 on the agenda in public session and item 2 in private session.


4.Minutes


The minutes of the meetings of 7 May 1998 and 14 May 1998 were agreed to.


5.Private Session


6.Public Transport, Presentation by Director of Traffic, Dublin Corporation


The meeting was attended by the following representatives of the Director of Traffic’s Office, Dublin Corporation:


Mr. Owen Keegan, Director of Traffic;


Mr. Con Coll, Principal Officer;


Mr. Christy O’Sullivan, Senior Engineer;


Mr. Tim O’Sullivan, Senior Engineer.


An oral presentation was made by Mr. Owen Keegan. This was followed by a question and answer session with the Members.


7.Adjournment


The meeting adjourned sine die at 3.50 p.m.



Seán Doherty, T.D.


Chairman


2 July 1998


Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport

Proceedings of Joint Committee

Thursday, 2 July, 1998

1.The Joint Committee met in public session at 2.50 p.m.


2.Attendance


The following Committee Members were present:


Deputies Seán Doherty (Chairman), Liam Alyward, Martin Brady, Austin Currie, Brendan Daly, Phil Hogan, Liam Lawlor, Noel O’Flynn, Dick Roche, Trevor Sargent and Emmet Stagg.


Senators Peter Callanan and Fergus O’Dowd.


Deputies Seán Ardagh and Seán Ryan also attended.


3.Minutes


The minutes of the meetings of 4 June 1998 were agreed to.


4.Public Transport Infrastucture and Operations - Presentation by Bus Átha Cliath and Bus Éireann


The following representatives of Bus Átha Cliath and Bus Éireann attended the meeting:


Mr. Michael McDonnell, Chairman, Bus Átha Cliath and Bus Éireann;


Dr. Alan Westwell, Managing Director, Bus Átha Cliath;


Mr. Liam Walsh, General Manager, Bus Átha Cliath;


Mr. Bill Lilley, Managing Director, Bus Éireann;


Mr. Tim Hayes, Business Development Manager;


Mr. Gerry Sullivan.


Mr. McDonnell made an oral presentation on Bus Átha Cliath. This was followed by a question and answer session with the Members. Because of time constraints it was agreed that Bus Éireann be invited in again in September 1998 to make its presentation.


5.Any other business


(a)South East Community Television


It was agreed that South East Community Television be invited to the next meeting of the Joint Committee to make a presentation on multi-channel television coverage and provision of a community t.v. channel.


(b)Rapporteurs Report on Communications Masts


Arising from a matter raised by Deputy Trevor Sargent the Chairman indicated that:


(i)all submissions received had been given to the Rapporteur for consideration in the preparation of his report;


(ii)while the Committee had agreed at a previous meeting that only those submissions which had been examined by the Committee would be published with the report, with all other submissions being acknowledged in the report, the Committee could when adopting the report decide to publish some of the submissions received but not examined by the Committee.


6.Adjournment


The meeting adjourned sine die at 4.40 p.m.



Seán Doherty, T.D.


Chairman


1 October 1998


Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport

Proceedings of Joint Committee

Thursday, 8 September, 1998

1.The Joint Committee met in public session at 2.40 p.m. in Room 114, Leinster House with members of the Committee on National Economy, Agriculture and Transport of the Senate of the Czech Republic.


2.Attendance


The following Committee Members were present:


Deputies Seán Doherty (Chairman), Liam Alyward, Johnny Brady (in substitution for Deputy Martin Brady), Austin Currie, Noel O’Flynn and Emmet Stagg.


Senators Peter Callanan and Fergus O’Dowd.


Apologies were received from Deputies Martin Brady and Ivan Yates.


The following members of the Senate of the Czech Republic attended:


Jaroslav Jurečka (Chairman), Karel Burda, Jaroslav Petřík, Vladimir Oplt and Alfréd Michalík.


3.Discussion


Both Chairmen outlined the roles of their Committees and this was followed by a discussion on transport matters in each country covering road, rail and bus and the method of privatisation followed in the Czech Republic. Other issues raised included the Russian economic crisis, nuclear energy, the Roma population and Czech Republic preparation for EU membership.


4.Adjournment


The meeting adjourned at 4.25 p.m. until 2.00 p.m. on Thursday, 17 September, 1998.



Seán Doherty, T.D.


Chairman


1 October 1998


Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport

Proceedings of Joint Committee

Thursday, 17 September, 1998

1.The Joint Committee met at 2.05 p.m. in public session in Room G2, Kildare House.


2.Attendance


The following Committee Members were present:


Deputies Brendan Daly (Vice-Chairman in the Chair), Liam Alyward, Martin Brady, Michael Creed, Austin Currie, Brian O’Shea (in substitution for Emmet Stagg), Dick Roche and Ivan Yates.


Senators John Cregan (in substitution for Des Hanafin), Willie Farrell (in substitution for Peter Callanan), Fergus O’Dowd and Tom Hayes (in part substitution for Fergus O’Dowd).


Apologies were received from Deputies Seán Doherty (Chairman) and Noel O’Flynn.


3.Presentation by South East Community Television


The following representatives of South East Community Television attended the meeting:


Mr. Johnny Fahey,


Mr. Paddy Horgan,


Mrs Mary McCormack,


Mr. Michael Bulfin,


Mr. Michael Murphy, and


Mr. Michael Power.


Mr. Michael Power, Secretary made an oral presentation. This was followed by a question and answer session with the Members. It was agreed that:


(i)an all party resolution, calling for new regulations for licensing operators to restore multi-channel television to areas of interest to South East Community Television at an early date, should be placed before the Committee at the next meeting on 1 October, 1998 with a view to having it included in the Committee’s report to the House on this matter;


(ii)the Director of Telecommunications Regulation be asked to expediate the regulations for licensing.


4.Adjournment


The meeting adjourned at 3.00 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Thursday, 1 October, 1998.



Seán Doherty, T.D.


Chairman


1 October 1998


Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport

Proceedings of Joint Committee

Thursday, 1 October, 1998

1.The Joint Committee met in public session at 2.35 p.m. and in private session from 2.38 p.m. to 2.40 p.m. in Room G2, Kildare House.


2.Attendance


The following Committee Members were present:


Deputies Seán Doherty (Chairman), Martin Brady, Austin Currie, Noel O’Flynn, Dick Roche and Trevor Sargent.


Senators Peter Callanan and John Cregan (in substitution for Des Hanafin).


Apologies were received from Deputy Ivan Yates.


3.Minutes


The minutes of meetings of 2 July, 1998, 8 September, 1998 and 17 September, 1998 were agreed to.


Arising from the minutes of the meeting of 17 September, 1998 the following resolution was agreed to:


“The Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport calls on the Director of the Office of Telecommunications Regulation to bring forward, and the Minister for Public Enterprise to consent to, the relevant regulations to facilitate the licensing of television transmission systems of analogue services on a short term or an interim basis until a digitalised transmission service is available nationwide and that such short term or interim transmission licences would be made available to commercial and community groups who have been providing a multi-channel television service through what are known as ‘deflector’ services over the past number of years and that these measures would be operational as soon as possible.”


It was agreed that the minutes of evidence of 17 September, 1998 meeting, the written submission received and the agreed resolution would constitute the Committee report on the meeting with South East Community Television.


4.Rapporteur’s Report on Communications Masts


It was agreed that:


(i)the first draft of the report would be circulated to Members who should return, in writing, any proposed deletions or inclusions to the Clerk by Friday, 9 October, 1998;


(ii)the Committee would consider all amendments received and agree ones to be included in the report or excluded from the report;


(iii) the Rapporteur would include the agreed amendments in the final report and return the report for formal approval by the Committee.


It was also agreed that this process should be completed at two meetings.


5.Report on Public Transport Infrastructure and Operations


It was agreed that:


(i)the Joint Committee would engage, subject to the consent of the Minister for Finance, the services of person(s) with specialist knowledge to assist it in preparing this report;


(ii)draft terms of reference for the consultant/specialist, a list of potential consultants/specialists and criteria for selecting a consultant/specialist would be placed before the Committee at the next meeting;


(iii)Members would supply the Clerk with the names of groups/organisations who would be invited to make submissions on this topic;


(iv)the target date for a report on this matter will be March 1999.


The schedule of meetings for the period October 1998 to December 1998 at Appendix 1 was agreed to.


6.Annual Report


It was agreed that each Annual Report of the Joint Committee required under Standing Orders would consist of:


(a)a brief report on the work carried out to date by the Committee,


(b)a brief report on the work in progress of the Committee, to include a brief note from Rapporteurs, if any, on items they are dealing with,


(c)a report on the Committees procedure and role indicating either that it is happy with same or indicating changes wanted,


(d)the work programme of the Committee for the following year, and


(e)the public minutes of proceedings of the Committee.


7.Correspondence


(i)Letter from C.I.E. Trade Union Group seeking meeting to discuss Public Transport Infrastructure and Operations


As indicated in Appendix 1 it was agreed to invite the C.I.E. Trade Union Group to meet the Committee.


(ii)Letter from Chairman of the All Party Committee on the S.M.I.


It was agreed to invite the Secretary General to address the S.M.I. issue at the meeting with him to discuss Public Transport Infrastructure and Operations and that a further meeting to deal with S.M.I. would be arranged if considered necessary.


(iii)Letters from Deputy Dick Roche concerning communications mast in Co. Wicklow


It was agreed that the report being prepared by the Rapporteur and the item agreed at 4 dealt with this matter.


8.Adjournment


The meeting adjourned at 4.05 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Thursday, 15 October, 1998.


9.Private Session



Seán Doherty, T.D.


Chairman


29 October 1998


Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport

Proceedings of Joint Committee

Thursday, 29 October, 1998

1.The Joint Committee met in public session at 1.05 p.m. and in private session at 2.56 p.m. in Room G2, Kildare House.


2.Attendance


The following Committee Members were present:


Deputies Seán Doherty (Chairman), Liam Aylward, Martin Brady, Pat Carey (in substitution for Brendan Daly), Noel O’Flynn, Trevor Sargent and Ivan Yates.


Senators Peter Callanan, John Cregan (in substitution for Des Hanafin) and Fergus O’Dowd.


Public Session


3.Minutes


The minutes of the meeting of 1 October, 1998 were agreed to.


4.Report on Public Transport Infrastructure and Operations


(i)The terms of reference, criteria for selecting a consultant and list of potential consultants were agreed to.


(ii)It was also agreed that letters seeking tender proposals should be issued as soon as possible.


(iii)The following representatives of Forfás and Bord Fáilte Éireann attended the meeting:


Forfás


Mr. John Travers, Chief Executive,


Mr. Jim Bourke, Manager, Enterprise, Policy and Planning Division, and


Mr. Ray Bowe, Manager, Enterprise, Policy and Economics Department


Bord Fáilte


Mr. John Dully, Chief Executive,


Mr. Ciarán Tuite, Head of Market Planning, and


Ms. Rhonwen Watson, Market Planning Officer


Mr. Travers and Mr. Dully made oral presentations to the Members and there were followed by a question and answer session with the Members.


5.Correspondence


(a)Dublin 15 Community Council


It was agreed that the Dublin 15 Community Council letter of 22 September, 1998 would be placed with material for the consultant on the Public Transport Infrastructure and Operations report and that it may be raised with the Dublin Transportation Office representatives when they appear before the Committee.


(b)United Christian Broadcasters Ltd.


It was agreed that United Christian Broadcasters Ltd. be invited in to make a presentation to the Committee on Thursday, 26 November, 1998 in addition to I.B.E.C. who will be making a presentation on the Public Transport issue.


6.Private Session


7.Adjournment


The meeting adjourned at 3.00 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Thursday, 12 November, 1998.



Seán Doherty, T.D.


Chairman


12 November 1998