Committee Reports::Report and Proceedings - Pigs and Bacon Bill, 1934::04 April, 1935::Proceedings of the Joint Committee

IMEACHTA AN CHOISTE SPEISIALTA.

PROCEEDINGS OF THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE.

Déardaoin, 4adh Abrán, 1935.

Thursday, 4th April, 1935.

1. The Committee met at 10.30 a.m.


2. Present: Deputy Moore (in the Chair), the Minister for Agriculture, Deputies Beegan, Belton, Haslett, Keyes, B. Maguire, M. O’Reilly, Roddy and Smith.


3. The Committee adjourned at 10.45 a.m. until 3.30 p.m. to-day.


4. The Committee met again at 3.30 p.m.


5. Present: Deputy Moore (in the Chair), the Minister for Agriculture, Deputies Beegan, Belton, Dillon, Haslett, Keyes, McGovern, B. Maguire, O’Donovan, M. O’Reilly, Roddy and Smith.


6. The Committee took the Bill into consideration.


(i) Section 1 agreed to.


(ii) Section 2.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Dillon):


“In line 26, after the word ‘ham,’ to insert the words ‘gammons and fore-ends’.”


Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.


Section agreed to.


(iii) Section 3 agreed to.


(iv) Section 4.


Amendment proposed (Deputy McGovern):


“To add at end of section the words ‘but shall not in any one year exceed the sum of fifteen thousand pounds.’”


Question put, and negatived.


Section agreed to.


(v) Section 5.


Amendment proposed (Minister for Agriculture):


“In page 7, between lines 25 and 26, to insert the following:—


‘the word “carcase” when used in relation to a pork butcher does not include the head, feet, or offals of a pig;


the word “bacon” when used in relation to a pork butcher means a carcase or any part of a carcase which has been subjected to any process of preservation.’”


Question put, and agreed to.


Section, as amended, agreed to.


(vi) Sections 6 and 7 agreed to.


(vii) Section 8.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Dillon):


“To insert a new sub-section ‘the regulations shall be laid upon the Table of the House.’”


Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.


Section agreed to.


(viii) Sections 9 and 10 agreed to.


(ix) Section 11.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Dillon):


“Before sub-section (5) to insert a new sub-section as follows:—


‘Where an application is made under this section for registration in any register referred to in this section the Minister shall cause the premises to which that application relates to be inspected by an inspector.’”


Question put: the Committee divided: For, 6; Against, 7.


For:—Deputies Dillon, Haslett, McGovern, B. Maguire, O’Donovan and Roddy.


Against:—Deputies Beegan, Belton, Keyes, Moore, M. O’Reilly, Smith, and the Minister for Agriculture.


The Question was declared negatived accordingly.


Section agreed to.


(x) Section 12.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Dillon):


“In sub-section (3), line 21, to delete the words ‘may if he thinks fit’ and substitute therefor the word ‘shall’.”


Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.


Section agreed to.


(xi) Section 13.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Dillon):


“In line 32 to delete the words ‘ten pounds’ and substitute the words ‘one pound’.”


Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.


Section agreed to.


(xii) Section 14 agreed to.


(xiii) Section 15.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Dillon):


“In sub-section (6), line 60, to delete the word ‘conclusive’ and substitute therefor the words ‘prima facie’.”


Question put, and agreed to.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Dillon):


“In sub-section (8), paragraph (c), line 20, after the word ‘section’ to insert the following words:—‘unless within the time appointed such person has notified the Minister of the reason of his failure to pay such fee’.”


Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.


Section, as amended, agreed to.


(xiv) Section 16 agreed to.


(xv) Section 17.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Keyes):


“After sub-section (4) to insert the following additional sub-section:—


‘(5) An individual in the employment of the person liable under this section to produce any record, account or other document, shall not be guilty of an offence under this section if his refusal or failure to produce such record, account or other document was made on the instruction, either expressed or implied, of the employer or of any person acting for the employer who was entitled to issue such instruction.’”


Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.


Section agreed to.


(xvi) Sections 18 and 19 agreed to.


(xvii) New sections.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Dillon):


“Before section 20 to insert a new section as follows:—


‘(1) Immediately upon the expiration of the preliminary period every person whose name appeared upon the register of minor curers during the preliminary period and who is not eligible for registration on the register of small curers upon the expiration of the preliminary period shall be entitled to compensation to be calculated in accordance with the formula set out in the following sub-section and to be payable from the funds of the Bacon Marketing Board.


(2) The Minister at the expiration of the preliminary period shall appoint an arbitrator before whom all the claims under the preceding sub-section shall be determined and the appropriate compensation assessed.’”


Question—“That the new section be there inserted” put: the Committee divided: For, 4; Against, 8.


For:—Deputies Dillon, Keyes, O’Donovan and Roddy.


Against:—Deputies Beegan, Belton, Haslett, B. Maguire, Moore, M. O’Reilly, Smith and the Minister for Agriculture.


The Question was declared negatived accordingly.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Dillon):


“Before section 20 to insert a new section as follows:—


‘At the expiration of the preliminary period the employee of every person who during the preliminary period was registered on the register of minor curers and who at the conclusion of such period was ineligible for registration on the register of small curers and who by the operation of this Act loses his employment shall in the event of his failing to secure employment within a reasonable time on premises registered under this Act be entitled to such compensation as the arbitrator referred to in the preceding section shall determine.’”


Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.


(xviii) Section 20.


Question—“That the section stand part of the Bill”—put: the Committee divided: For, 8; Against, 4.


For:—Deputies Beegan, Belton, Haslett, B. Maguire, Moore, M. O’Reilly, Smith and the Minister for Agriculture.


Against:—Deputies Dillon, Keyes, O’Donovan and Roddy.


The Question was declared carried accordingly.


(xix) Section 21.


Amendment proposed (Minister for Agriculture):


“Before sub-section (3) to insert a new sub-section as follows:—


‘(3) Where—


(a) premises are used exclusively for the business of slaughtering pigs; and


(b) other premises situate within one mile from such first-mentioned premises are used for the manufacture of bacon from the carcases of pigs slaughtered at such first-mentioned premises;


both such premises shall be deemed for the purposes of the immediately preceding sub-section to be one set of premises.’”


Question put, and agreed to.


Section, as amended, agreed to.


(xx) Sections 22 and 23 agreed to.


(xxi) Section 24.


Amendment proposed (Minister for Agriculture):


“In sub-section (3), paragraph (c), page 15, line 2, to insert after the word ‘during’ the words ‘not less than forty-five weeks in’.”


Question put, and agreed to.


Amendment proposed (Minister for Agriculture):


“At the end of the section to insert a new sub-section as follows:—


‘(10) Where—


(a) premises are used exclusively for the business of slaughtering pigs; and


(b) other premises situate within one mile from such first-mentioned premises are used for the manufacture of bacon from the carcases of pigs slaughtered at such first-mentioned premises;


both such premises shall be deemed for the purposes of sub-section (2) of this section to be one set of premises.’”


Question put, and agreed to.


Section, as amended, agreed to.


(xxii) Sections 25, 26 and 27 agreed to.


(xxiii) Section 28.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Dillon):


“In sub-section (6), line 47, to delete the word ‘conclusive’ and substitute therefor the words ‘prima facie’.”


Question put, and agreed to.


Section, as amended, agreed to.


(xxiv) Section 29 agreed to.


(xxv) Section 30.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Dillon):


“In sub-section (2) to delete paragraph (f).”


Question put: the Committee divided: For, 6; Against, 6.


For:—Deputies Dillon, Haslett, Keyes, McGovern, Moore and O’Donovan.


Against:—Deputies Beegan, Belton, B. Maguire, M. O’Reilly, Smith and the Minister for Agriculture.


The Question was declared negatived accordingly.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Dillon):


“In sub-section (3), paragraph (c) (i), line 28, to delete the words ‘a fit and proper person’ and substitute therefor the words ‘a practising barrister of not less than ten years standing’.”


Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.


Section agreed to.


(xxvi) Section 31.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Dillon):


“In sub-section (1), lines 40 and 41, to delete the words ‘such particulars of such licence as he shall think proper’ and substitute therefor the words ‘all particulars of such licence’.”


Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.


Section agreed to.


(xxvii) Sections 32 to 36, inclusive, agreed to.


(xxviii) Section 37.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Dillon):


“To delete paragraph (c).”


Question put: the Committee divided: For, 6; Against, 6.


For:—Deputies Belton, Dillon, Haslett, McGovern, B. Maguire and O’Donovan.


Against:—Deputies Beegan, Keyes, Moore, M. O’Reilly, Smith and the Minister for Agriculture.


The Question was declared negatived accordingly.


Section agreed to.


(xxix) Section 38.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Keyes):


“To insert at the end of the section the following new sub-section:—


‘(3) Where an order is made under this section prohibiting the employment in licensed premises of a person suffering from disease, the Minister shall at the same time make a further order specifying that all persons whose employment is prohibited under this section shall be paid by the Bacon Marketing Board during the period of the currency of the first-mentioned order a weekly sum equivalent to the wages and other emoluments such person would be entitled to receive if no such order were in force.’”


Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.


Section agreed to.


(xxx) Section 39.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Keyes):


“In sub-section (1) to delete all the words after the word ‘rate’ in line 55, page 23, and to insert in lieu thereof the following words:—‘applicable to workmen employed in a similar kind of work at licensed premises.’”


Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.


Amendment proposed (Deputy Keyes):


“In sub-section (2) to delete all the words after the word ‘employment’ in line 62, on page 23, and to insert in lieu thereof the following words:—‘applicable to workmen employed in a similar kind of work at licensed premises’.”


Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.


Section agreed to.


(xxxi) Section 40.


Amendment proposed (Deputy McGovern):


“In sub-section (3), line 28, to delete the words ‘one hundred’ and substitute the word ‘ten’.”


Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.


Question proposed:—“That the section stand part of the Bill.”


Debate ensued.


7. The Committee adjourned at 6.40 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. tomorrow.